To the haters on the front page...

"daender" (daender)
05/15/2014 at 12:36 • Filed to: rant

You're a bunch of uneducated cocks. Advertisement is advertisement; you're not forced to buy alcohol and go drunk driving to kill a family or smoke 12 packs a day and get stage 4 cancer, they're just selling you a product that comes with a chance of addiction (basically anything is an addiction these pitiful days, Flappybird much?). Yes, advertising smokes and alcohol to children is bad, I'm in agreement with this 100%, but it's the PARENTS ' duty to tell children not to smoke or drink until they're of a proper age to understand the consequences. Education over drinking and smoking ain't that much different than sex ed; actions have consequences. Remember, you , no one else, have the choice of deciding whether or not you want to buy a product. It's not the company's fault, not the racing team's fault, but your fault if you can't control yourself with cigarettes or alcohol. In which case, there's support groups to help you regain control.

Also, it's your own damn fault if you decided to get your drunk ass behind the wheel and you end up killing your best friend or a newborn.

Have a Martini, motherfuckers.

DISCUSSION (36)

Imirrelephant > daender
05/15/2014 at 12:39

I'll drink to that!

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > daender
05/15/2014 at 12:44

Well with smoking in particular its a drug that was specifically created to hinder its users ability to control themselves, prescription medication exists for the addiction because it is so hard to get off of. There are few to no benefits to cigarette smoking, and I personally dont want it to be promoted.

Ever seen someone die of smoking related cancer? Lung caner that metastasized to the bones is a fairly painful way to die. I prefer a society that doesnt promote such a dangerous substance. Its one of the few places where the health and safety bullshit hasnt over stepped its boundaries.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > daender
05/15/2014 at 12:46

Yet, the populous having a higher moral standard is bad?

Seriously smoking tobacco only has negative effects.

Some people came together and made dogecoin livery a thing. If that's possible, then no, we don't need tobacco back.

daender > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 12:47

About half of my father's side of the family over the age of 60 is either dead from or is suffering from cancer. None the less, you raise a good point, the chemicals do cause an addiction. However, I still say there's a choice in the matter before starting down that road.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Enginerrrrrrrrr
05/15/2014 at 12:51

"Moral standards" are inherently ambiguous.

Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 12:52

It's not a question of the product at all, it's a question of causality.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > daender
05/15/2014 at 12:52

If you start when your 30 I could see that. But so many start when they are in their younger teens, few of us would support the decisions we made when we were 14 or 15, we just arent that logical when we are kids. Just one mistake when you are younger, regardless of the amount of education we got from our parents, can lead you down a very dangerous path.

UKGTR335 > daender
05/15/2014 at 12:54

It sounds like you want people to be personally responsible for their actions or something? Did you miss that day in school when everyone learned that the U.S. Constitution gives people the unalienable right to blame others for any harmful stuff they choose to do?

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Bob Loblaw Made Me Make a Phoney Phone Call to Edward Rooney
05/15/2014 at 12:56

When Joe Camel and Ronald McDonald have similar recognition among elementary school students it wasnt on accident.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 12:56

Weakness, such as addiction, has a single solitary reward: Death. It is not my responsibility to ensure you live, it is not your responsibility to ensure i live. If I am incapable of taking the necessary steps to preserve my own life, you do not have a right to step in and make decisions for me. I do not smoke, nor do I put myself in places where smokers congregate. This is a choice, much like they choose to smoke. In the military, everyone smokes (we are talking 90-95%) and yet I still chose to not smoke. Education not prohibition!

daender > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 12:56

I agree with you, a lot of today's smokers got started as teens because it was considered cool and/or peer pressure or because they found comfort in them. However I think (at least, hope) today's generation is lot more educated on such matters and the long-term effects that we don't have to worry about them becoming as addicted as with past generations.

MPA > daender
05/15/2014 at 12:56

Everyone knows it's bad, and even with no advertising millions still smoke.

I managed to get through life without smoking even though both my parents smoke, and even though there was advertising all over the place.

avens > Enginerrrrrrrrr
05/15/2014 at 13:00

So does drinking coke. Coincidentally it's components also cause cancer, still isn't regulated nearly as much. The reason is the principle is that everyone has freedom of choice and, if anything, after all these years a 'higher moral standard' (if such thing exists) cannot be prohibition based.

In the end the thing is tobacco and alcohol related advertisements in motorsports are some of the very most iconic and beautiful ever made, with a big nostalgia component as well. I'd like to see that back.

As an offtopic, wouldn't it be awesome a world without kids, with a lot less regulations and prohibitions among many, many products and activities. For instance there wouldn't be censorship of words and of nudity on TV. Well that until some adults start demanding governments and companies to make choices for themselves because they don't understand the concept of consequences and of self control, thinking other people are animals that need to be protected (no, you weren't forced to smoke tobacco for 40 years, no you didn't start because of some car livery and yes you knew what would happen).

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:02

To be fair, I have seen somebody die from liver cancer...and from a car accident due to drunk driving (not at the same time because HOLY SHIT that would be ridiculous timing). Technically there are few to no benefits from drinking either - unless you are trying to talk about sports or realize your dreams as a table dancer - but we tried cracking down on that once and look what it gave us: The Untouchables (Starring Kevin Costner and James Bond).

daender > Enginerrrrrrrrr
05/15/2014 at 13:03

Good point, Dogecoin is a positive sign there're alternatives to funding teams but it's a small drop in the bucket for a whole season. Let alone more expensive venues like Formula 1, touring cars, and prototypes. I'm just jaded that NASCAR's advertising all-you-can-eat Golden Coral buffets, KFC Double Downs deep-fried chicken, and male enhancements without concern of what non-targeted audiences view it, like that humorous article of on Jalopnik a while back of a wife suing because her young child started asking about male enhancements from watching races. Maybe my hopes are too high that today's younger audiences are educated enough to understand the long-term effects of smoking.

If there were other companies willing to step up to advertise more then that's great! I just don't foresee it happening, racing advertisements aren't as effective as they were decades ago. Especially when the National Guard blew 88 million dollars to sponsor a big-name driver for three years.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
05/15/2014 at 13:06

There is a huge difference between prohibition and promotion. Just because Marlboro isnt on the F1 Ferrari's doesnt mean I cant get a pack of smokes at the corner store.

Calling addiction weakness, its not true. I've lived in the presence of addiction, it will bring a strong man to his knees. And it will bring a weaker man to do things he never expected to do. And while cigarettes and crack arent the same thing, they both do irrepressible harm to the body. Addiction is mental, no amount of physical strength is going to help you.

daender > MPA
05/15/2014 at 13:07

Bingo, I highly doubt putting a brand on a race car is going to drastically increase the amount of smokers in the world. People will still smoke regardless if it's on a championship-winning car.

I've lost two grandparents to smoking-related cancer, I think that alone was enough to stop me from ever trying.

daender > UKGTR335
05/15/2014 at 13:09

I know, I'm probably asking sheep to do something human.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > daender
05/15/2014 at 13:10

And smoking rates are down with the next generation of kids if I recall correctly. Would it be unfair to assume that the measures that have been taken to prevent advertising of smoking have helped that?

daender > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:11

It is not unfair, a lack of advertising has certainly helped reduced rates.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider
05/15/2014 at 13:15

Again, its not a question of prohibition, I can go to the corner store and pick up a pack of smokes. Its a question of promotion, and other than cigarette companies few are hurt from the lack of advertising.

Doctor Shieldsy > daender
05/15/2014 at 13:16

Why would a company put their name on a race car if not to increase presence/sales?

daender > Doctor Shieldsy
05/15/2014 at 13:18

Of course they're putting their names on there for increased sales. I'm just saying the sales increase won't be as dramatic and overplayed as people are making it out to be.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:19

I was not referring to simply physical strength. Force of will probably would have been a better choice of words. I feel as though hard drugs and proliferation of addictive harmful substances is a method for reintroducing natural selection into our species. A massive culling of weak-willed people who do not accept responsibility for their actions is needed in this world. If I were to become a casualty of addiction and died, so be it. The remaining human race would be better off without having to carry the weight of the addicted and infirm (the infirm from addictions, i.e. smokers with lung cancer, heroin addicts/sex addicts with HIV or AIDS). And of course my core belief is you do not HAVE TO agree with me, and I do not HAVE TO agree with you, and it is probably the most important right we have as human beings. Oddly enough it is a right that points to choice. I can choose to agree or disagree with you, or anyone else for that matter. Or I can choose to walk my own path in life and live with and by my own decisions. Let's stop pointing the finger at everyone else for the problems, difficulties and adversaries we face in life.

Doctor Shieldsy > daender
05/15/2014 at 13:20

Just a liiittle lung cancer. For nostalgia and sweet graphics.

Enginerrrrrrrrr > daender
05/15/2014 at 13:24

I agree, the dogecoin thing wasn't the necessary amount that it would take to run a team for a season or more, but you never know who will come along. I do agree it was stupid that that lady sued for the male enhancement thing. Those commercials are on tv all the time anyways. You'd think kids would be smart enough to not smoke, but they keep doing it. I don't get it. I drive by the highschool near my home and see kids smoking outside all the time. Let's not forget that 50% (I believe is the statistic...it's ridiculously high either way) of the kids who grow up in a household where one of their parents smoke will begin smoking...so there's that.

I think we just need people to start watching racing more often and have it more accessible to the public. Then more advertisers would actually want to do it. The only way I can watch racing is online...and it makes me sad.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet
05/15/2014 at 13:26

The idea of natural selection is always trying to beaten, take your idea to the next level and thousands would still be dying of polio in the United States. Promoting a healthier society hurts no one. And Like I said you can still get a pack of smokes, whether its on the side of a car of not.

R Saldana [|Oo|======|oO|] - BTC/ETH/LTC Prophet > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:29

But the more people who live a sub-standard (re. non-contributing) life, the less resources for those of us who do produce and contribute and choose healthy alternatives.

King Ginger, not writing for Business Insider > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:30

I don't think that cigarette companies are hurt by a lack of advertising so much as a concerted effort by national/local/private/public programs to point out the dangers of nicotine addiction and the long term effects of thinning your oxygen intake while putting tar in your longs. Yes, the rise of one (education) and the decline of the (acceptability to advertise) are linked, but the resultant decrease in smokes sold is probably more effected by the former.

That being said there is a HUGE double standard between tobacco and the way other things that are awful for your health are treated. Just because one is slow but obvious and the other is quiet and nebulous with the ring of "personal responsibility" doesn't mean that it is acceptable.

Nibbles > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:30

I've been around cigarette smoke since conception. Started smoking when I was 13. Thankfully to this point I've been an anomaly - doctors hardly believe I smoke when listening or looking at X-rays.

Smoking was cool. The cool kids smoked. I had a spat with a cop when I was 15 - it was illegal for a minor to smoke, but not to possess, so the worst he could do was confiscate the currently lit smoke. We went rounds for about 20 minutes of me lighting up and him grabbing it out of my mouth. That was cool. It was a cool story.

It's not cool any more. I'm slowly developing a cough and phlem production has been through the roof lately. I can't stand the smell or the taste, and each time I light up I get nervous and paranoid. It's so fucking hard to stop though. Patches make me hallucinate, gum makes me smoke, that prescription pill - whatever it's called - makes me vomit incessantly. The "cessation aids" are worse than the tobacco.

Sadly the only time I cannot fathom smoking is when I'm suffering from a good hangover. Alcololism can't be the answer; it's just another death.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > Nibbles
05/15/2014 at 13:33

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Sorry about how hard its been on you.

Nibbles > Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis
05/15/2014 at 13:36

It's my own fault

BJ > daender
05/15/2014 at 13:59

Here, have a Camel. No wait, have 2!

Kinja'd!!!

crowmolly > Nibbles
05/15/2014 at 14:18

Chantix? The side effects of that drug are rough, too.

crowmolly > daender
05/15/2014 at 14:22

I have to ask.

How do you think marketing campaigns are designed and planned these days? What is your basis for making conclusions about intent to purchase?

Nibbles > crowmolly
05/15/2014 at 15:28

Yeah, that shit. Worst idea ever. I guess it did work, because while I was on the pill (I soldiered through it for two weeks just to give it every chance I could) I couldn't smoke because of all the vomit